tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1589405835312873091.post1590661746287841122..comments2023-03-23T09:51:05.485-04:00Comments on Eduwonkette: NYC School Report Cards II: A Closer Lookeduwonkettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05072705276536120758noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1589405835312873091.post-85086140677384140582007-11-10T12:02:00.000-05:002007-11-10T12:02:00.000-05:00"Growth trajectory." What a marvelous obfuscator...."Growth trajectory." What a marvelous obfuscator.<BR/><BR/>What you seem to be saying is that traditionally Asian students learn more than African-American students. Therefore, if a school does well because it has a lot of Asians and not a lot of African-Americans, it's not to the school's credit. It just had better students to work with.<BR/><BR/>Are you willing to say this clearly and be accused of being a racist?<BR/><BR/>Or have I misunderstood you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1589405835312873091.post-72832522250619003752007-11-08T16:24:00.000-05:002007-11-08T16:24:00.000-05:00I really appreciate the analysis that you’ve done ...I really appreciate the analysis that you’ve done here. I think it gives us a lot of food for thought. I do think the trajectory issues deserve quite a bit more public discussion. I recently saw a presentation by some DOE employees on these scores and I wanted to clarify something about the comparison groups. My understanding is that they are based on demographics for elementary schools and k-8 schools, but for middle and high schools the comparison groups are actually based on the test scores of current students prior to their attendance at that school. So, for middle schools they use 4th grade test scores to determine comparison groups.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1589405835312873091.post-33534351743266617122007-11-07T20:08:00.000-05:002007-11-07T20:08:00.000-05:00It'll be a serious pain in the neck to do the calc...It'll be a serious pain in the neck to do the calculations, but it would be nice to see the effect of school racial/ethnic composition on the three separate components going into the summary letter grade, i.e., Learning Environment Survey score, student performance, and student progress. If the driving factor is differential student learning rates, % Asian would have the largest effect on student progress, and the smallest effect on school environment score. <BR/><BR/>Also, which schools are getting "bonus points"? Is school racial/ethnic composition associated with this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1589405835312873091.post-47892137574681193532007-11-07T16:38:00.000-05:002007-11-07T16:38:00.000-05:00While I am sure this data regarding a higher numbe...While I am sure this data regarding a higher number of Asian students is interesting and important, I found it to be tertiary, at least to the NYC schools as I experienced them. At least three of the middle schools in the Bronx that scored an "A" , as well as one k-8 school that scored an "A" are schools with 0 Asians. (I have lengthy experience with all five of these schools) While these could all be the ones you mentioned that are not represented in your data, it seems fairly significant. I don't know how many schools in the Bronx and Brooklyn scored an "A" but it is a fact that the majority of those schools have close to 0 % Asians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com